<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918470</id><updated>2011-07-28T10:29:47.295-07:00</updated><category term='ecopoetics'/><category term='amateurism'/><category term='Rethinking Poetics'/><category term='Meschonnic'/><category term='creative writing'/><category term='poetries'/><category term='ecologies'/><title type='text'>Ecopoetics</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>JS</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05328813908636818067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>8</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918470.post-1308531908386133666</id><published>2010-06-18T10:46:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-18T11:23:34.999-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='poetries'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Meschonnic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ecologies'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='amateurism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ecopoetics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rethinking Poetics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='creative writing'/><title type='text'>Rethinking Poetics Notes (pre, during and post)</title><content type='html'>&lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Here is everything I've typed up around the Rethinking Poetics conference, at which I presented on the Poetries and Ecologies panel (the conference was held June 11-13 at Columbia University, in NYC, 2010). This is NOT a summation of everything I found of interest at the conference, especially on the last two days when I wasn't "live facebooking."  There are, additionally, copious handwritten notes in my brown muji notebook--covering other interesting things not noted here--that will have to wait another (less sunny) day for transcription . . .  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:13pt;"&gt;Play by play posts (from my iPod, June 11):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:13pt;"&gt;"not to make the invisible visible, but to peruse and multiply the channels of its invisibility" -- Jennifer Scappetone&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:13pt;"&gt;Talking of the shit we flush away, Tonya Foster asks, "what is to be done with experience, with what is past experience?"&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;Kasey Mohammed is into the phatic, uncertain, er, hemming and hawing, function of tradition.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;The politics of remembering and creating counter-traditions, where more is at stake than aesthetics . . . (Elizabeth Willis)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;Barrett Watten: what, what, what? (what is it we are rethinking here?)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;Joan Retallack: "no questions, no conversation"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;"I sought to refunction Krauss's derivation of new sculptural genres [for poetry]" (Barrett Watten). Radical particularity in relation with critical regionalism -- a differential negative poetics that transmits the rift of the negative . . . Poetry as site construction that demonstrates non-identity [in the face of the global]"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;"hay una historia de arte conceptual que date del epoco baroco" (is the ghost of concrete poetry currently haunting conceptual poetry? it's a powerful exchange of global currency -- that conceptual poetry sound bite). --Monica de la Torre (who delivered half her presentation in Spanish . . . rawk!)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;Joshua Clover "seeks only to antagonize" . . . "rethinking is a question of mediation" that relies on a fundamental antagonism -- whose terms are concrete and material . . . American Hybrid displaces post-avant vs. S.O.Q to a higher level . . .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;Rebecca Wolff: Joshua [expletive deleted]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;Rodrigo Toscano: what to do about what happens when people walk away after the reading . . . Material translocative permissivity (?) vs. the overbearing postmodern [emphasis on] the now now, always the present.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;Osman (read by Spahr) is interested in echolocation (listening, hearing rather than sculpting an environment one has come into contact with that one doesn't know) as a possible trope for (rethinking) poetry--with examples from Nowak, Cobb, Sand, Spahr, Rankine, Buuck, Templeton . . .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;"a poetics of courage now must include enactments of reciprocal alterity" -- Joan Retallack&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;Rachel Blau DuPlessis thinks we should reappropriate fixed forms. "Vulnerability is good, vulnerability is a kind of trust."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;Precious moment: DuPlessis (eloquently) defending the value of creative writing programs to Perloff . . . [see further discussion on this below]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;subway snafu! missed most the first panel of today's Rethinking Poetics (sorry: as I'm presenting on the next panel, I won't be facebooking notes again until the afternoon). oh for Haussmannian transport transparency!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Notes for Poetries and Ecologies Panel (Rethinking Poetics) &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;[I covered most but not all of these notes in my presentation.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A couple of things I inadvertently skipped or hadn’t yet thought to note.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And I probably said a couple of things that aren’t reflected here.]&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font: major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;ecopoetics&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt; is dedicating to exploring creative-critical edges between writing (with an emphasis on poetry) and ecology (the theory and praxis of deliberate earthlings).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That’s the original masthead, launched almost ten years ago. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font: major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;ecopoetics&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt; was conceived as a site, not a genre.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In the sense of site-specificity as developed out of the 1960’s art world, but also in the sense of theories of distributed consciousness, as explored by philosophers such as Bruno Latour, Edwin Hutchins, Richard Taylor, N. Katherine Hayles, or Donna Haraway.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Theories exploring the idea that consciousness, and maybe agency, are distributed “out there,” amongst the “objects” of the world, rather than “in here” (tapping skull).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So I don’t aspire to publish “ecopoems” or to identify “ecopoets,” but to offer an overtly-dedicated site, to which different kinds of practices can contribute. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;A principal organization for ecopoetics has been edge effect: the enriched life along an edge between biomes or habitats.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;One edge is the invisible slash or hyphen in eco/poetics.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Do eco and poetics interrogate and rethink one another?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;See the just-out &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Ecolanguage Reader,&lt;/i&gt; ed. Brenda Iijima (Portable Press at Yo-yo labs and Nighboat Editions) for some current, edgy examples of writing that in different ways rubs the eco against poetics, and vice versa.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Another one of the edges is determined by the ambiguous status of “eco” itself (here and everywhere).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ecologies are nestled inside of ecologies.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Ecology also speaks the language of capital by which it aims to extend systems of command, communication, control into bodies and their visible relations.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If ecopoetics is tasked with making visible the invisible relations, then it faces a challenge — in naming them can language withhold our relations from biopower?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How is ecopoetics more than (yet more) browning the world in the name of green?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How is it more than business as usual? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Consider President Obama’s remarks on expanded offshore drilling, delivered at Andrews Airforce Base, March 31&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt;, where he praised a biofuel-powered F-18, “appropriately called the Green Hornet,” to be launched on Earth Day: is this the greening of the military industrial complex?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What is ecopoetics the greening of? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;I like what Jennifer Scappetone had to say yesterday: “not to make the invisible visible but to peruse and multiply the channels of its invisibility.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font:major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font: major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;ecopoetics&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt; is not an activist journal—though it often is considered such (mostly by people who may not have read it).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yet, more than with other labels, the question of use value looms large.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What can poetry &lt;b&gt;do&lt;/b&gt; here?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This question emerges sharply in a recent debate on the UB Poetics listserv around Amy King’s and Heidi Lynn Staples’s online Poets for Living Waters anthology.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;One member of that list questioned the value of writing, publishing and reading poetry in the face of the magnitude of the BP/Deep Horizon oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Staples published an eloquent defense of poetry to the same listserv that I encourage you all to read.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I’m not sure I buy her argument—that poetry makes nothing happen therefore subtracting from the damage of production—but it’s definitely one I’ve considered.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(I at one point identified “entropology” as a fourth writing dimension, alongside the topology, tropology and anthropology [ethnopoetics] that the site of ecopoetics opens.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I don’t think entropology or Stevensian negativity—which after all might include the school of quietude—adequately addresses the plight of the pelicans, who just want the oil removed from their beach.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Or of the bats who are dying from some mysterious fungal pathogen called White-Nose Syndrome.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(They don’t give a damn if I can write beautiful, smart or whatever poems about their plight.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In any case, however we pin it, the “eco” today remains both totally generic and persistently marginalized. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Taking on faith that “eco,” which ultimately just signals the big house we’re all learning to keep together, does offer a useful site for specially focused attention—one of the revisions poetry offers in responding to inadequacies, as Charles Bernstein (in his “pata queero normative way”) noted yesterday—then the term “eco” itself presents the ambiguity that these special markers always do: does an “eco” poetics need an eco index?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Is it primarily a thematic interest?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The dominance of nonfiction prose in the area of environmental literature seems to confirm the thematic emphasis.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is an emphasis that the journal &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;ecopoetics&lt;/i&gt; indeed set out to challenge.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;I was struck that Jena Osman yesterday, for the Social Location/ Ethics panel, as re-echoed by Juliana Spahr, chose to ask about echolocation as a possible trope for poetry coming into contact with an unknown environment—also echoing Joan Retallack’s ideas about experimental writing (“What is Experimental Poetry &amp;amp; Why Do We Need It?” in &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Jacket&lt;/i&gt; 32).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I myself asked the same question a while ago.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I was looking for examples of experimental poetry that engages echolocation as a form but no one seemed to have any ideas at the time.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In my talk on Poetry and Biodiversity, for Poets House last month, for which I was preparing the example of echolocation, I resorted to two instances that might seem to establish limit cases—for a poetry engaging the sensorium of other species (in this case, those of the chiroptera order, which as mammals and “vampires” are like us, but in every other way seem so different, even repellant).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We discussed Mary Oliver’s “Wings” (where the speaker of the poem removes a dying bat from the road, as an occasion for reflections on mortality) and Bruce Andrews’s “Dizzyistics” (a collaborative-improv “language” piece, echolocating within the syntagmatic slippage of [English] language itself).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In between I had presented Alvin Lucier’s “I am sitting in a room” (where the musician records a recording of a recording of a recording of a recording, etc. of his own voice explaining the piece, until nothing is left but a standing wave, the resonance of the room itself).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Between Mary Oliver and Bruce Andrews, where is the ecopoetics?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is the edge that interests me—not a third way or a hybridity, but an editorial intervention.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And then there’s the question of what this does for the bats.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Let the synthesis, if we want to think that way, happen elsewhere, probably not in poetry. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;The edge is thick, and situated differently in relation to those different points of the classic compositional triangle: theme; form (or author, if you wish); and, perhaps most importantly for questions of ecology, audience.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In regards to the latter, it could be argued (and some skeptical, hard-nosed scientists do) that “ecology” is primarily a mode of rhetoric. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Specific themes are important because “eco” really is too general, just as “ethnicity” is general or “gender” is general.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(Can you imagine proposing a panel today called Ethnicities of Poetry, or Genders of Poetry?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Not long ago, yes, but today the preliminary questions have been asked and more specific investigations are underway.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Even so, ecology still seems to offer a space for the most unexamined kinds of generalization.)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Overall the range of themes seems to be governed by an edge between what one might call Thoreauvian and Emersonian tendencies.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Do we sound the pond or do we vision our will, examine the entangled bank or the locomotive?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As Spahr has asked, is it more ecopoetic to write of the bird or to write of the bulldozer about to destroy the bird’s habitat?&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I envisage some tension between those who would write rainforest or coral reef poems in face of the BP oil disaster and those who would write oil platform or petroleum poems.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A third main thematic category, not necessarily a synthesis of the first two, involves poems of place, including the urban but also including sustained attention to the non-urban.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Not to stop at three, some other themes, that I have identified in reading through ecopoetics or in my own practice, include: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;abandoned landscapes and the poetics of weeds (you can find examples in “Thoughts on Things,” my essay for the &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Ecolanguage Reader&lt;/i&gt;); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;immunity or boundaries between organism and environment (Mei-mei Berssenbrugge, “Pollen”); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;oil (Marcella Durand, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Anatomy of Oil&lt;/i&gt;); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;the Great Pacific Garbage Patch (Evelyn Reilly, Styrofoam, “Key to the Families of Thermoplastics”); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;urban planning (Ed Roberson, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;City Eclogues,&lt;/i&gt; “The Open”); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;urban green open space (Allison Cobb, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Greenwood&lt;/i&gt;); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;agriculture and migrant labor (Yedda Morrison, Crop); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;extraction industry labor (Mark Nowak’s recent books); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;the presence of animals in media environments, including that of human languages (Brenda Iijima’s recent books, also something I have been working on).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Before I thought I had enough to say at this forum, I was planning to read from my essay “Poetry Animal” (published in the recent &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;boundary2&lt;/i&gt;).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I’ll just read from the beginning and end of it here: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Animals—as form, as function, as affect, as intensity—are saturating our media-machine environment.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They are images, they are sounds, they are rhythms and textures, they are tastes and odors, models and products. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Observe Moore’s glacier “picking periwinkles, spider fashion,” an octopus harvesting textual ice. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;They are structures of feeling, structuring our feeling, or lack thereof, for other humans, not to speak of the animals themselves—structures that distort or subvert our uses of them. . . . &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;The cultural work our age of extinction calls for is not to promote habitat preservation, but—as Ellen Crist forcefully puts it—to ourselves become island preserves of animality.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;To attend to “language’s animalady. . . . when the performance of language moves from human speech to animate, but transhuman, sound” (Bernstein).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Poetry animals allow foreign organizations into the sphere of our nervous system.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Whether as Artaud’s parasites, as William Burroughs’s virus, as Maria Sabina’s mushrooms, or as other forms of possession or “becoming.” &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;When they speak, let us listen as animals; when animals enter our writing, they do so humanly, when we become machines for reading and writing.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Deconstruct the singular “animal”—that criminal “confounding of all non-human beings under the common and general category of the animal.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As a protest, Derrida’s &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Ecce animot&lt;/i&gt; lodges the humanist’s cogito acoustically, between animals (“animaux”) and word (“mot”).&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Even on this virtual horizon, which might be the very fabric of their extinction, animals trace the affect that cannot be subsumed to human purpose. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;With form, the emphasis is determined at least partly by audience — as Ben Friedlander wrote on Facebook today, in response to Barrett Watten’s pronouncement that “genre trumps form”: “form &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"&gt;is&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt; genre.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;The dominantly thematic orientation of environmental literature—or of “ecolit” as Jack Collom likes to call it—has dictated certain counter-emphases (that are not exclusive) in my editing of the journal: non-“I”-centered poems; significant attention to language, what it frames, connects, separates, occludes, how it has a body; attention to &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"&gt;languages&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, the translation zone that explores an intertwining of linguistic and biodiversity (see contributions to &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"&gt;ecopoetics&lt;/i&gt; by Ak’abal, Ochoa, Tornero, Zemborain, amongst others).&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Recently, I tried to catalog these as different instances of procedural writing (for more on “procedures,” see the n&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;oulipian Analects,&lt;/i&gt; ed. Wertheim and Viegener): &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;listing (Tim Atkins, “Emulsion Defect”); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;translation (Mayan poet Humberto Ak’abal, “Xirixitem chikop”); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;transcription (Jonathan Stalling, “Wolf howls”); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;frame shift (Kenny Goldsmith, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;The Weather&lt;/i&gt;); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;concrete/ page-based (Alec Finlay, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Mesostic Herbarium&lt;/i&gt;); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;machine-based (Juliana Spahr, things of each possible relation hashing against one another); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;situationist (Joan Maloof, “September 11&lt;sup&gt;th&lt;/sup&gt; Memorial Forest”; Patrick Jones, Slow Dragging); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;site-specific (Jennifer Scappetone, in collaboration with Kathy Westwater, PARK!; Brenda Coultas, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;The Bowery Project;&lt;/i&gt; Peter Culley, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Hammertown;&lt;/i&gt; Slow Poetry [Dale Smith and Hoa Nguyen in Austin, TX]);&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;“species saturation job” (Jonathan Skinner, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Warblers&lt;/i&gt;); &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;and collaborative procedures (Marcella Durand and Tina Darragh, &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Deep eco pré&lt;/i&gt;; BARGE, Bay Area Research Group [D. Buuck et al]; PILLS, Pacific Institute for Language and Literacy Studies [Aaron Vidaver, Roger Farr and Steve Ward]; Philly Sound Poets [CA Conrad, Frank Sherlock, et al]; Movement Research [Robert Kocik and Daria Fain]). &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Finally, the audience-based, or rhetorical, dimension of ecopoetics: &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;Up front, one is dealing with the “environmental”/ nature writing crowd, the avant-po crowd, and, perhaps most importantly, with one’s immediate community — the community one engages on an everyday basis, not just one’s elected virtual community.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In regards to immediate community, we might want to reconsider the value of “occasional” work, the work of the poet in response to community occasions.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;When we consider ecopoetics rhetorically, we rethink venue.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;These gatherings of poets are a joy but also part of the problem.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As Robert Kocik likes to put it, we need more “poetry outsource.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;A practice that brings together the thematic, formal and rhetorical dimensions would be something like Joan Retallack’s “enactments of reciprocal alterity,” as she articulated them yesterday—where the edge or boundary becomes a generative site rather than an objective in itself. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;I’d like to end with two quotations from a poet whose collected works were published this year, in an act of heroic editing by Robert Grenier and Curtis Faville.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The poet is Larry Eigner, who reminds us that writing for writing’s sake is kind of “over,” and that professionalization may be doing us in, as a species:&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;“Enough it seems has been produced. Enough writings, enough cars, enough music, enough of a lot else. Production or creation is a human quality or whatever, anthropoid, mammalian, vertebrate, proceeding through time.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Contact outwards or something, besides bringing in and familiarizing.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;(“Arrowhead of Meaning,” Areas / Lights / Heights)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;“And then too there’s the matter of Overexcitement.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Every hour or two is a new day around the world, but by now I opine you can have overkill in anything, for example there’s no shortage of any kind of writing that l can see. Nor is Work any longer a very great good – life or living is its purpose.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Career or Profession seem obsolete in enough ways by now and now I think of a return to amateurism.”&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;(“not / forever / serious,” Areas / Lights / Heights)&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;      &lt;/span&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoBodyText"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-ascii-theme-font: major-latin;mso-hansi-theme-font:major-latinfont-family:Calibri;"&gt;12 June 2010&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Lucida Grande&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-Lucida Grande&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:13.0pt;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Lucida Grande&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-Lucida Grande&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:13.0pt;color:#333333;"&gt;Facebook comment stream posts:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Lucida Grande&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-Lucida Grande&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:11.0pt;color:#333333;"&gt;Perloff, who (as we know) has been a huge champion of risky and adventurous poetics--in the arena of canon and career-making academic power--largely served as a rearguard gate-keeper at this "rethinking," directing us back to traditional markers and evaluative criteria like genre distinctions and the pattern-making evident in "good writing." Her support of con-po, and of Goldsmith's work specifically, has surely been a curse as much as a blessing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Lucida Grande&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-Lucida Grande&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:11.0pt;color:#333333;"&gt;One of my favorite moments was when Burt Kimmelman, in one of the many overlong "questions" that were really statements from the audience (almost supplementary presentations), said that Perloff wasn't reading conceptual poetry, when she claimed (as she often has) that Goldsmith's The Weather is poetry, very figured out poetry. Perloff just looked incredulous, like Kimmelman was calling her bluff. But what I took Kimmelman to mean was that you can't have it both ways--you can't buy the conceptual point *and* sell it to the literary taste-makers. You might be reading poetry, but you're not reading "conceptual poetry," when you admire the literary art sometimes found within these works. I'm sure this point has been made many times before: an easy target. &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Perloff's role was very mandarin, to invoke literary values in the face of a "lot of cross-overs by people who don't know what they're talking about." She basically (implicitly) criticized most of the proceedings at the conference as "sloppy thinking" and "loose terms" (those aren't necessarily the exact words she used, but my paraphrase). So I didn't take Perloff's comment, that "ecology and poetry" don't seem to have much to do with poetry, as specific to Bitsui's or Schelling's or my presentation on the Ecologies of Poetry panel or to anything but her inability to really hear whatever rethinking might be going on. (Perloff did look up from her iPod, during my presentation, when I invoked Goldsmith.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Participants flocked to the mikes at this point to defend their respective rethinkings (for which I was grateful, relieving me of the charge to respond). As Vidaver notes, *this* was the gaffe. Many of us were too focused on whatever it was we'd already brought to the conference (including our iPods, mea culpa) to attend to what was really going on.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Before a rush to judgment, on the basis of fragmentary accounts and summaries in Facebook comment streams, it might be best to get some more holistic reports. There were lots of poets/ thinkers present who were not represented on the panels. And there were many who did not get a chance to speak. (Question period etiquette was hideously lacking.) I saw many younger poets, amongst others, still holding a mike when sessions wrapped up, never getting to ask their question.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;In this respect, I don't think Vidaver's judgment of the group is fair: there simply wasn't time, in the narrow space of a crowded Q &amp;amp; A, to absorb and effectively respond to a comment made in the course of that Q &amp;amp; A. Anyone who had stepped up the queue at one of the mikes immediately after Perloff opened her mouth wouldn't have made it to the mike. (That's NYC for you: crowded!)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;I was particularly moved by Bitsui's discussion of the power and dangers of negative speech, from a Navaho perspective: that language is physical and makes things happen. In that respect, the negative talk (different from dissatisfaction) already swirling around Rethinking Poetics, especially on the part of those who didn't actually attend, seems particularly premature--if not lacking in precisely the kinds of attention and generosity the organizers showed, by putting this thing on in the first place.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Lucida Grande&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-Lucida Grande&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:11.0pt;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count: 1"&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;* &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;I think the intergenerational character of such a gathering presents particular challenges. In Perloff's case, I wouldn't blame her for not getting ecopoetics or for not hearing whatever rethinking was struggling to be born. She comes from a different moment. (I personally took it as a badge of honor: there might be a real problem with ecopoetics if Perloff liked it!) The presence of other elders at the conference was similarly at the same time instructive and confounding. (Just as the efforts of my generation may have seemed of very mixed value to the younger poets present.) There was a lot of "correcting" and "setting the record straight."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;I myself believe a "rethinking" needs as diverse a committee as possible, intergenerationally as well as otherwise. (An aside: more than one of the attendees commented on the overwhelming whiteness of the audience.) At the same time, that diversity, such as it is--as I am well familiar in my own efforts with ecopoetics--will both enrich and diffuse the thinking. It was interesting, in this regard, that some of the discussion following the final panel turned around questions of temporality.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;On another note, I appreciated the efforts of the coordinators to break up organized "thinkerships" (such as Con-po and flarf) in their arrangement of the panels--like exasperated teachers who separate trouble-makers by rearranging the seating--which for the most part presented striated assemblages of individuals rather than group formations. (A bit of "edge effect"?) So it wasn't "a bunch of panels about F-Con Po telling me how to rethink F-Con Po."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;But with some exceptions, rather than generating new perspectives, conversation tended to gravitate toward renewed defenses (or, let us say, "fine tunings") of the thinkerships in question. (Leading an exasperated Perelman, at one point, to plead: "Amidst the positive and negative reaction, let's not reify the terms . . .")&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Needless to say, I was disappointed by the apparent lack of interest in ecological contexts, a not surprising but increasingly egregious silence in light of developing events. Not to mention the lack of interest in anything outside the hermeneutic scrim set and maintained, if not policed, by the academic big-shots.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;A notable exception was Richard Doyle's out-of-left field "ecodelic" account of his entheogenic revelation about the "plant matrix," on an NPR-reporting trip to investigate "Ayahuasca tourism" in the Amazon, on the final "interdisciplinary" panel. Almost totally dismissed by the "rethinking" audience, no doubt, except when it was handled in the Q &amp;amp; A with the clinical gloves of structuralist, Marxian and psychoanalytic analysis (addressed as a "return of the repressed").&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;I hope that postmortem critique can avoid making the organizers feel bad, who I cannot imagine having gone the lengths to organize this gathering (a thankless and consuming task), amidst insanely busy job lives, out of anything but their generosity and a wish to do all they can to facilitate some ground-breaking discussion. Even if what they helped produce ends in a failure to rethink, Golston and Perelman and the grad students who collaborated have my own thanks and congratulations. (The burgeoning comment streams seem to testify to *something.*)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;To figure out why this failed and how we might, one day, "rethink" poetics, I'd say we need to look at the environmental and organizational unconscious of the conference design: the space in which it was held, the way that space and time were organized into discrete units of discussion, the lack of an explicit convention for managing the discussion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;If we really want to "rethink," we need to be much more deliberate in precisely those areas that tend to come as afterthoughts to what is given. We might attend to the ecologies of poetry (and not so much the poetry of ecologies), which is where I might have directed more of my own presentation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count: 1"&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;I agree that drawing generational lines doesn't amount to a critique. That said, it was not my intent to put Perloff down for being "old." Nor, for the record, do I think "ecopoetics" to be all that hip! (To the contrary, the Ecologies of Poetry panel remains the least discussed in the wake of RP.) My mistake may have been in conflating two issues I wanted to raise:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;1) Perloff's role at this gathering was quite conservative--perhaps appropriately so--and there was a bit of the patronizing "if you young people don't get your terms straight--like we used to, back in the day--who else is going to defend poetry from the philistines?" So I was probably just engaging in a bit of immature eye-for-patronizing-eye there. I was also reflecting on the fact that respondents seemed to react more strongly to this tone than to the actual content of what Perloff said (viz. rapists and their victims, or whatever else).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;2) and perhaps separately, my phrase "from a different moment" was an awkward use of fuzzy language to refer to but avoid directly addressing the question of intergenerational lines at the "rethinking." I was being fuzzy because it's such a difficult issue, maybe to the extent that it does personalize the argument a bit. What kind of gathering would it have been without the integrated presence of senior poets and critics who, let's face it, have already made a significant mark on poetics?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Again, I'm all for the intergenerational mix, and would even question the drawing of generational "lines." (Especially as I myself fall increasingly into that perilous middle-aged ground between young and senior.) And yet, I think we'd have to agree that the significant role given to senior poets and critics, perhaps even to middle-aged poets and critics (and I'm using these terms as relative to trajectories of visibility, not to literal age), at this "rethinking," is bound to constrain as much as it aids in our understanding of where today's poetics might be headed . . .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Probably just a useless (even stupid) thought experiment that I am not all that invested in pursuing.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Lucida Grande&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-Lucida Grande&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:11.0pt;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count: 1"&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;* &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;"We are, instead, producing an enriched sense of language, convention, and the literary field as a zone of community, communication, and traditions of praxis” (Rachel Blau DuPlessis, in post-conference discussion).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Two thoughts: 1) what can we do about how these very values and formations drop away or balkanize in the "long-term, intense, saturating" work of becoming poets? (What happens *to* the values of creative writing/ praxis in the field of poetics?) There was a certain community on display at Rethinking Poetics (RP) but I don't think it pointed toward this sense of enrichment. (Not that it needed to or that this was the particular work of that gathering. Instead participants focused on the meta-discourse of the "long-term, intense, saturating" work of poetics.) The borders of this zone, I'm afraid, remained fairly closed. Perhaps some grad students (I hope) felt included. But I don't think much of the community outside RP (and there were several there) felt invited in. Also, perhaps due to certain organizational constraints and decisions, a representative variety of perspectives comprising the zone itself was not, I think, able to manifest.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;2) How does the production of values you outline differ in the creative writing and the literary seminar? At least in the small liberal arts college context, I feel the sense of community produced in my creative writing-oriented classes and in my literary seminars (when they work) is comparable. (And yet, there are differences.) Ideally, I combine creative and critical pedagogical approaches, so perhaps when these courses are at their best, there is not much difference. And students will express to me that they value above all the intellectual/ creative community (with their peers) that they discover, in either kind of class. Overall, I wonder about the value of inserting that slash between the critical and the creative vectors. I'm not sure that's the direction of Perloff's critique of CW programs, but it's how I'd state it. I think the separation is damaging to both vectors. But I'd be interested in hearing about the specific differences between creative and critical community.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Lucida Grande&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-Lucida Grande&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:11.0pt;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:17px;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count: 1"&gt;         &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Further attempts to clarify that I did not mean to suggest Perloff has "bad ideas because she is of a certain age or belongs to a bad generation” (nothing of the sort!&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I myself think she has some good ideas and some bad ideas):&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;When I wrote Perloff comes from a "different moment"--and here's something I forgot to mention in my earlier post--I was also appealing to the philosophical sense of "moment," a moment in a movement of concepts. So that Perloff's conceptual frame, where she works best, might not accommodate work emerging from other moments without some radical restructuring. (Which might explain the awkwardness of her embracing KG and Conceptual Poetry.) Just as the conceptual moment out of which I work probably isn't equipped to deal with what's emerging amidst the youngest generation of writers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:&amp;quot;Lucida Grande&amp;quot;; mso-bidi-Lucida Grande&amp;quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:11.0pt;color:#333333;"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count: 1"&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Barrett Watten complains about "poetics = aesthetic community that assumes experimental practice as a norm/ground." If I may jump in here, I think there were other assumptions in play at RP -- notably, an assumption that "thinking" = critical theory as received through a lineage of Euro-American theorists. This may or may not align with academic affiliation. (In any case, in my limited experience, it seems to have become the norm for "poetics" discussions, in OR outside of the academy.) Whatever the organizers did or did not do to mitigate the exclusiveness of the venue, whatever the limitations of the academic frame (&amp;amp; I agree that they are real and powerful), the exclusivity in question is, I think, trans-institutional.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;What are some of the ways in which a listener/ participant might feel excluded by the vocabulary of a sentence like "I sought to refunction Krauss's derivation of new sculptural genres"? Or of phrases like "radical particularity in relation with critical regionalism," "a differential negative poetics that transmits the rift of the negative," and "poetry as site construction that demonstrates non-identity [in the face of the global]." Now, I think Barrett Watten’s presentation (from which these quotations are drawn) was/is actually exemplary in its efforts to locate schematics outside of the received critical frameworks (e.g., repurposing, or refunctioning, Krauss's "expanded field" diagram, which would be familiar to any student of art history but not, perhaps, to many students of poetry and poetics). He also took care to define terms like "critical regionalism." I'm only picking on his examples because I find them amongst what I noted down, and I only noted down what I could hear clearly.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;I actually didn't find anything too abstruse in Clover's talk (who began by saying he set out to give the "least sophisticated" talk at the gathering). Mohammed seemed to offer us an example of one of his (undoubtedly excellent) introductory lectures on semiotics. But a good deal of the Q &amp;amp; As and of the panel on Affective Economies &amp;amp; Prosodies, which I've seen singled out for praise in many of the early reports, operated at a level of meta-discourse guaranteed to exclude anyone not privy to the genealogy of its base terms, beginning with but not limited to "affect." There’s hierarchy at work here, an admittedly necessary hierarchy in the demanding work of critical theory, but all too often it becomes the framework for an exclusive game of out-bidding one's peers, in the trade of academic currency, or of out-ranking one's peers, in the EGO poetics of performing theory in a race up the eristic ladder (let me out-meta your meta). One I've seen played out (and probably participated in a bit myself) all too often, both inside as well as outside of the academy.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I don’t mean to suggest that this was the mode of the Affective Economies panel, by the way, but it did tap into the critical meta-hierarchy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Stefans, in a recent comment stream, noted that the "discourse has become too baroque," i.e. hard to follow. Now I don't necessarily consider "baroque" a pejorative qualifier, but I get his point. At the same time, someone else in a related comment stream (can't remember who) complained about the amateurism of a lot of the theorizing at RP. I'm afraid that probably is true of much of the way "theory" has been used by poets, since langpo or before. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, except in the case of the above-mentioned ego poetics. In which case, more often than not, the "winners" end up being absorbed by the academy, where they will get the training and resources necessary to keep dominating such a race (and becoming less amateur). A race that may, in the end, have little to do with poetics, except where it engages experimental practice--which brings us back to Watten’s tautological conundrum: what then is the norm/ground for poetics outside of experimental practice?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;The question of amateurism could lead into an extended discussion on the history and mixed value of American poets' exceptionalist, pragmatic engagements with Euro-critical traditions (see Carla Billitteri's work here), that would be an important part of "rethinking." (Too bad Carla wasn't at RP!) I myself (along with Carla and several of the presenters at RP) just came from a Charles Olson conference in Vancouver, where the archive of one of US poetry's greatest critical amateurists was opened for sometimes joyous, sometimes painful inspection. Olson's methodological amateurism can be painful but perhaps more painful might be the failure of his postmodernism, in the face of all it was reaching for, to think outside the Euro-American box. In retrospect, that conference may have been a fitting prelude to RP.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;At RP I myself called, via Eigner, for a "return to amateurism." But I was thinking of a different sort of amateurism, a truly cross-disciplinary, as in cross-divisional, amateurism. And maybe a cross-cultural and cross-linguistic amateurism. (I said: "professionalism is doing our species in.") How can one pretend to “rethink” ecopoetics, for instance, without a meaningful representation of perspectives from, say, the sciences and the social sciences? (And what possible common discourse is there for such representation?) Perhaps more importantly, how can one "rethink" poetics while implicitly upholding a largely monolinguistic and monocultural forum? (In the confines of a space that, on the material architectural plane as well as on that of institutional structure, was so clearly not designed for poetics?) Can we let go of our presumed expertise long enough to reach out toward, and into, a translation zone rife with inevitable (even wished for, as productive) misunderstandings and, let's face it, with embarrassing gaffes?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;Monica de la Torre's presentation, half of which she delivered in extempore, untranslated Spanish, constituted a powerful counter-move to the some of the critical assumptions at work in the prevailing notion of "poetics" (as a certain lineage of critical theory). Rebecca Wolff's performative intervention may have been aiming, from another direction, at the same sense of exclusion. Can these antagonisms be worked out within the prevailing critical hierarchies?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;While I agree with Watten (as he noted in a comment stream) that "the leveling constraints of the panels . . . jammed too many people together with too little time to develop and discuss ideas," I would like to know more about some of the assumptions behind the notion that "parallel sessions, and stronger not weaker senses of critical engagement and articulation" would have helped open up a real rethinking.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-pagination:none;mso-layout-grid-align:none; text-autospace:none"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;What does Watten mean by "stronger . . . senses of critical engagement and articulation"? Is he calling for a more professionally academic level of organization and engagement? To what extent can we "rethink" poetics in that disciplinary format? (What used to be called "comparative literature" showed some promise in the 'nineties--its disappearance from contemporary literary studies, and/or absorption by "critical theory," seems to point to some failure there.) If not, what organizational alternatives might we consider? How can those we are not hearing from, and who we critically need to hear from, get invited in, i.e. effectively heard? Can we redo poetics outside of disciplinary hierarchy?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-tab-count: 1"&gt;            &lt;/span&gt;*&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"   style="  color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:'Lucida Grande';font-size:15px;"&gt;I wondered about the reinscription of "voice" in some of what Lisa read . . . Meschonnic was a fairly reactionary figure in France, when I discovered him, doing translation studies in the 90s. He argued violently against écriture (and was in turn rejected by the Tel Quel movement--hence the lack of international attention paid to him) and attacked some of the writers I was working on, like Albiach and Royet-Journoud. &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Critique du rhythme&lt;/i&gt; reads (at one level) like an argument for spoken word, avant la parole, with all the arsenal of the language poets, but without Bernstein's generosity and nuance--an ideological version of Close Listening. He alsoa argued for a different Mallarmé, from the one the poststructuralists had claimed. (Golston reminded us of some of Meschonnic's possibly less savoury affiliations, via eurythmics, etc. At the same time, I could see some of the point of Meschonnic's arguing against the "terhorie" of Tel Quel.) &lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Definitely an interesting mind. I'll have to look at &lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;Critique du Rhythme &lt;/i&gt;again and check out his other books. Anyways, Lisa's translations are great.&lt;span style="mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It's interesting how authors &amp;amp; thinkers can escape the ideological entanglements of their moment via translation, finding a new, different life in another language, perhaps one they might never have envusaged or even willed . . .&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/22918470-1308531908386133666?l=ecopoetics.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/feeds/1308531908386133666/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2010/06/rethinking-poetics-notes-pre-during-and.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/1308531908386133666'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/1308531908386133666'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2010/06/rethinking-poetics-notes-pre-during-and.html' title='Rethinking Poetics Notes (pre, during and post)'/><author><name>JS</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05328813908636818067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918470.post-6907690904837136613</id><published>2010-05-07T05:32:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-07T16:12:21.545-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Unpacking My Library (Spring 2010)</title><content type='html'>&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Unpacking My [New] Library: What I Brought Back from the 2010 AWP&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Mags: &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Mandorla 12 &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Lana Turner: A Journal of Poetry &amp;amp; Opinion, no. 2 &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;The LBJ: Avian Life Literary Arts, vol. 1, no. 2&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Platte Valley Review, vol. 31, no. 1 &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Volumes: &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Archestratos, Gastrology or Life of Pleasure or Study of the Belly or Inquiry into Dinner&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Joel Bettridge, Presocratic Blues &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Tom Clark, Problems of Thought: Paradoxical Essays&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Jon Cotner &amp;amp; Andy Fitch, Ten Walks/ Two Talks&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Mina Pam Dick, Delinquent &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Jennifer K. Dick, Fluorescence&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Dolores Dorantes, Sexo Puro Sexo Veloz &amp;amp; Septiembre&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Zhang Er, Verses on Bird&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Sarah Gridley, Green is the Orator &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Brenda Hillman, Practical Water &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;William R. Howe, translanations one &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Myung Mi Kim, Dura&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Jill Magi, Threads &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Dennis Maloney, The Map is Not the Territory &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Finding the Way Home: Poems of Awakening and Transformation, ed. Dennis Maloney&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Laura Moriarty, A Tonalist&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Alice Notley, Reason and Other Women &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Craig Santos Perez, from Unincorporated Territory [Saina]&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Lisa Robertson, R's Boat &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Miyazawa Kenji: Selections, ed. Hiroaki Sato &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Roberto Tejada, Exposition Park &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Edwin Torres, In the Function of External Circumstances &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Karen Weiser, To Light Out&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Donald Wellman, Prolog Pages &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Andrew Zornoza, Where I Stay &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Tinfish trove: &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Norman Fischer, Charlotte's Way &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Craig Santos Perez, from Unincorporated Territory &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Barbara Jane Reyes, Poeta en San Francisco &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Kaia Sand, Remember to Wave&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Leonard Schwartz, Language as Responsibility &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Elizabeth Soto, Eulogies &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Tinfish 19 &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Slack Buddha trove: &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Stan Apps, Market Freakout  &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Alec Finlay, Mesostic Tea&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Rob Halpern, Weak Link &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Laura Moriarty, Ladybug Laws &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Ric Royer, Time Machine &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Susan M. Schultz, Dementia Blog &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;What I Brought Back from the 2010 Postmoot Convocation (Oxford, OH) &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;West Coast Line 62 &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Frederick Farryl Goodwin, Buber's Bag Man &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Antiphonies: Essays on Women's Experimental Poetries in Canada, ed. Nate Dorward&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Patrick Durgin &amp;amp; Jen Hofer, The Route &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Jen Hofer, Trouble &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Jen Hofer, 13 Things I Would Photograph for You If I Could &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Ric Royer There Were One &amp;amp; It Was Two: Annotated Artifacts from the Doubles Museum &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;What I Brought Back from Buffalo (April 2010) &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Robin F. Brox, 's words&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Lisa Forrest, Bird-Lore&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Christopher Fritton, My Fingernails Are Fresnel Lenses &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Christopher Fritton, How We Came to Wear Our Bodies&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Christopher Fritton, Occupation: Housewife &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;David Landrey, Consciousness Suite &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Florine Melnyk, Suspended Imagination &lt;/p&gt; &lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Peter Ramos, Please Do Not Feed the Ghost &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "&gt;Lisa Robertson, The Apothecary &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "&gt;Lisa Robertson, Debbie: An Epic&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"&gt;Lisa Robertson, Magenta Soul Whip &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/22918470-6907690904837136613?l=ecopoetics.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/feeds/6907690904837136613/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2010/05/unpacking-my-library-spring-2010.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/6907690904837136613'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/6907690904837136613'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2010/05/unpacking-my-library-spring-2010.html' title='Unpacking My Library (Spring 2010)'/><author><name>JS</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05328813908636818067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918470.post-7621460131758386913</id><published>2010-02-17T15:52:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-17T15:53:50.631-08:00</updated><title type='text'>LN on ice fishing</title><content type='html'>&lt;!--StartFragment--&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:11pt"&gt;“Here it gives the laws for fishing thru the ice--&lt;br /&gt;only one hook to a line,&lt;br /&gt;stay at the hole, can’t go in to warm up,&lt;br /&gt;well, we never go fishing, so they can’t catch us.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;--L. Niedecker, New Goose&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;!--EndFragment--&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/22918470-7621460131758386913?l=ecopoetics.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/feeds/7621460131758386913/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2010/02/ln-on-ice-fishing.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/7621460131758386913'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/7621460131758386913'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2010/02/ln-on-ice-fishing.html' title='LN on ice fishing'/><author><name>JS</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05328813908636818067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918470.post-114365253607122511</id><published>2006-03-29T08:54:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-03-29T09:15:36.086-08:00</updated><title type='text'>urban ecology</title><content type='html'>Tomorrow I'm going to a meeting on how to teach writing to graduate urban planning students and am really excited about the possibilities of such. The teacher sent me the reading list, which is chock-full of fascinating-sounding books on urban ecology, new urbanism, and visions of how cities of the future will look. Here are a few tempting titles:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jonathan Barnett, The Fractured Metropolis&lt;br /&gt;Timothy Beatley and Kristy Manning, Ecology of Place&lt;br /&gt;Timothy Beatley, Green Urbanism&lt;br /&gt;Hans Blumenfeld, The Modern Metropolis&lt;br /&gt;Peter Dreier, John Mollenkopf, and Todd Swanstrom, Place Matters, Metropolitics for the 21st Century &lt;br /&gt;John Forester, The Deliberative Practioner&lt;br /&gt;Paul Goodman and Percival, Communitas &lt;br /&gt;Sharon Zukin, Landscapes of Power&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I always felt you could observe many natural processes at their rawest in the city (i.e., crowd patterns in the rush to the subway at 5 pm in the financial district, or pigeons fighting over fried chicken--cannibalism upon competition! Or pigeons fighting over fried chicken in the financial district...in front of the New York Stock Exchange...). But given the traditional binary concept of wilderness/city that blinds many to the intense ecological action going on in city-central, it's an interesting challenge to "translate" these relatively unobserved dynamics into words, especially since those words not only carry "description," but social import, given the city is a wilderness of human communication, as well.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/22918470-114365253607122511?l=ecopoetics.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/feeds/114365253607122511/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2006/03/urban-ecology.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/114365253607122511'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/114365253607122511'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2006/03/urban-ecology.html' title='urban ecology'/><author><name>JS</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05328813908636818067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918470.post-114194541358667360</id><published>2006-03-09T14:39:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-03-09T15:03:33.596-08:00</updated><title type='text'>green words</title><content type='html'>One interesting problem for poets to ponder is how to deal with the vocabulary that's been developed over the last several years around things ecological (or even unecological). The prefix "eco" has become much too convenient to affix to all sorts of things, and yours truly even naively stumbled into the trap, using the dread term "ecopoet" in her very first post here. JS points out that "ecopoet" has become problematic, as it's become a way to very conveniently situate--or limit--oneself within a perceived "genre." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(As an aside, when I googled "eco" just to see what other sorts of products, careers, or services have been placed under this description, the second site that came up was Umberto Eco's author homepage. That's kind of awesome.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think when I used "ecopoet," I had a sort of lighthearted vision of beings who were both ecological inhabitant and poet, and thinking of ways of how to juxtapose those existences occasionally (and no, I wasn't thinking of Name of the Rose disciples). Plus the term seemed a little less unwieldy (more wieldy?) than other terms, like "ecological poetry" (which seems &lt;em&gt;so&lt;/em&gt; dry and even more prescriptive). More questions: is part of ecopoetics rescuing language from accumulated connotations and restoring its link to the exterior world--its "denotativeness"? Can we rescue some of this eco-vocabulary? Or should we just avoid it altogether? &lt;br /&gt;--MD&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/22918470-114194541358667360?l=ecopoetics.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/feeds/114194541358667360/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2006/03/green-words.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/114194541358667360'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/114194541358667360'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2006/03/green-words.html' title='green words'/><author><name>JS</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05328813908636818067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918470.post-114188152602647343</id><published>2006-03-08T21:18:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-03-08T21:18:46.040-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Kick the "Environment"</title><content type='html'>Also, to kick things off, I'm wondering who else has read this article that was released at an October 2004 meeting of the Environmental Grantmakers Association and was published on Grist in January: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/01/13/doe-reprint/"&gt;The Death of Environmentalism: Global warming politics in a post-environmental world&lt;/a&gt;, by by Michael Shellenberger and Ted Nordhaus  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's largely the old Lakoffian argument about framing the debate, in the context of environmentalism, where I guess it's managed to ruffle some feathers.  One aspect of the authors' thesis appears that the idea of the "environment" does more harm than good for environmentalists' aims.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are some key passages:  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is no better example of how environmental categories sabotage environmental politics than CAFE [Corporate Average Fuel Economy legislation]. When it was crafted in 1975, it was done so as a way to save the American auto industry, not to save the environment. That was the right framing then and has been the right framing ever since. Yet the environmental movement, in all of its literal-sclerosis, not only felt the need to brand CAFE as an "environmental" proposal, it failed to find a solution that also worked for industry and labor. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because Japan has national health care, its auto companies aren't stuck with the bill for its retirees. And yet if you were to propose that environmental groups should have a strategy for lowering the costs of health care for the auto industry, perhaps in exchange for higher mileage standards, you'd likely be laughed out of the room, or scolded by your colleagues because, "Health care is not an environmental issue."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Industry and conservative lobbyists prevent action on global warming proposals by framing their attacks around an issue of far greater salience for the American people: jobs. The industry opposition claims that action on global warming will cost billions of dollars and millions of jobs. They repeat this claim, ad nauseum, through bogus studies, advertisements, lobbying, public relations, and alliance building among businesses and labor unions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; The environmental leaders we interviewed tended to reinforce the industry position by responding to it, in typical literal fashion, rather than attack industry for opposing proposals that will create millions of good new jobs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our defensiveness on the economy elevates the frame that action on global warming will kill jobs and raise electricity bills. The notion that environmentalists should answer industry charges instead of attacking those very industries for blocking investment into the good new jobs of the future is yet another symptom of literal-scleroris.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Answering charges with the literal "truth" is a bit like responding to the Republican "Swift Boats for Truth" ad campaign with the facts about John Kerry's war record. The way to win is not to defend -- it's to attack.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Talking about the millions of jobs that will be created by accelerating our transition to a clean energy economy offers more than a good defense against industry attacks: it's a frame that moves the environmental movement away from apocalyptic global warming scenarios that tend to create feelings of helplessness and isolation among would-be supporters. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Van Jones [the up-and-coming civil rights leader and co-founder of the California Apollo Project] believes Apollo [the Apollo Alliance, a coalition of labor, environment, business, and civil rights leaders working to win passage of a New Apollo Project to create three million new energy jobs and free America from foreign oil in ten years] represents a third wave of environmentalism. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; "The first wave of environmentalism was framed around conservation and the second around regulation," Jones said. "We believe the third wave will be framed around investment."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I have a dream speech" is famous because it put forward an inspiring, positive vision that carried a critique of the current moment within it. Imagine how history would have turned out had King given an "I have a nightmare" speech instead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; In the absence of a bold vision and a reconsideration of the problem, environmental leaders are effectively giving the "I have a nightmare" speech, not just in our press interviews but also in the way that we make our proposals. The world's most effective leaders are not issue-identified but rather vision and value-identified.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If environmentalists hope to become more than a special interest we must start framing our proposals around core American values and start seeing our own values as central to what motivates and guides our politics. Doing so is crucial if we are to build the political momentum -- a sustaining movement -- to pass and implement the legislation that will achieve action on global warming and other issues. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Environmentalists] are so certain about what the problem is, and so committed to their legislative solutions, that we behave as though all we need is to tell the literal truth in order to pass our policies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Environmentalists need to tap into the creative worlds of myth-making, even religion, not to better sell narrow and technical policy proposals but rather to figure out who we are and who we need to be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Above all else, we need to take a hard look at the institutions the movement has built over the last 30 years. Are existing environmental institutions up to the task of imagining the post-global warming world? Or do we now need a set of new institutions founded around a more expansive vision and set of values? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now translate that into ecopoetics . . . &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;JS&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/22918470-114188152602647343?l=ecopoetics.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/feeds/114188152602647343/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2006/03/kick-environment.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/114188152602647343'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/114188152602647343'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2006/03/kick-environment.html' title='Kick the &quot;Environment&quot;'/><author><name>JS</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05328813908636818067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918470.post-114187354751819898</id><published>2006-03-08T19:05:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-03-08T20:50:30.296-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Background Reading</title><content type='html'>This is my first blog post EVER . . .  and I don't have much (or I have too much) to say, right now.  Just wanted to post a link to this great series &lt;a href="http://www.grist.org/"&gt;Grist Magazine&lt;/a&gt; currently is running, on Poverty &amp; the Environment.  Check out the article on food economics, and Chris Jordan's post-Katrina photographs (www.grist.org). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, I'm currently reading Eugene Linden's forensics "thriller" Winds of Change, just out--it's the lowdown on climate change, and a hell of a page turner.  Linden wrote one of the best future scenario books out there, The Future in Plain Sight.  He's quite good, so I ordered this soon as I read a review in the NY Times. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This climatology is messing with my temporal sense of scale. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It looks like climate change has been good for the brain, over the millenia, bad for civilization.  Where poetics comes in I have yet to determine.  Linden quotes this lamentation, probably penned after the drought around 2200 BC that felled Akkadian civilization: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The large fields and acres produced no grain &lt;br /&gt;The flooded fields produced no fish &lt;br /&gt;The watered gardens produced no honey and wine &lt;br /&gt;The heavy clouds did not rain &lt;br /&gt;On its plains where grew fine plants &lt;br /&gt;"lamentation reeds" now grow &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder what a lamentation reed is.  (Derrida suggests poetry is what survives the destruction of the archives . . . )  In any case, the nomads tend to come out ahead . . .  Get your sheep and goats, folks.  This book will keep you up at night. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;JS&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/22918470-114187354751819898?l=ecopoetics.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/feeds/114187354751819898/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2006/03/background-reading.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/114187354751819898'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/114187354751819898'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2006/03/background-reading.html' title='Background Reading'/><author><name>JS</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05328813908636818067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22918470.post-114073085282556172</id><published>2006-02-23T13:32:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-02-23T13:42:55.966-08:00</updated><title type='text'>the first post</title><content type='html'>This is the first post to what is going to be a communal blog on ecopoetics, inspired by post-reading close-to-midnight conversation last night between &lt;a href="http://www.factoryschool.org/ecopoetics/"&gt;Ecopoetics&lt;/a&gt; editor Jonathan Skinner, author of &lt;a href="http://www.palmpress.org/chapbooks.html"&gt;Political Cactus Poems&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href="http://www.sptraffic.org/html/news_rept/ecology.html"&gt;Marcella Durand&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;OK, more--and more ecopoets--to come soon.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/22918470-114073085282556172?l=ecopoetics.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/feeds/114073085282556172/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2006/02/first-post.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/114073085282556172'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/22918470/posts/default/114073085282556172'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://ecopoetics.blogspot.com/2006/02/first-post.html' title='the first post'/><author><name>JS</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/05328813908636818067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
